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Messiaen and Debussy: Modes and Harmony

Asked ChatGPT4o: "Messiaen composed music based on modes, but how does this affect harmony?"

Olivier Messiaenʼs music based on modes has the following effects on harmony.

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1. Harmonic Stasis and Static Nature

Messiaen used “Modes of Limited Transposition.” These modes have a structure that allows only a few transpositions of a particular scale, making it difficult to create a completely new sense of tonality like major and minor scales.

2. Emphasis on Non-Functional Harmony

In Messiaenʼs modes, the relationship based on functional harmony between the tonic and dominant is weakened.

3. Expansion of Harmonic Color

Messiaen had a colorful sense of harmony and emphasized the color of harmony by using specific modes.

4. Adoption of Complex Chord Structures

Messiaenʼs modes also served as a foundation for creating complex chords. For example, the “added chords” and “divided scales” he often used are born from a modal foundation.

5. Increased Symbolism

For Messiaen, modes were not just a technique but elements imbued with mysticism and religious symbolism.

Due to these influences, Messiaenʼs music significantly diverged from traditional tonality and functional harmony, establishing an innovative harmonic approach in contemporary music.



Asked ChatGPT4o: "How did Debussyʼs music, by abandoning conventional harmonic progression, affect the sense of tonality?"

In Claude Debussyʼs music, abandoning conventional harmonic progression has the following significant effects on the sense of tonality.

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1. Weakening of Traditional Tonality

2. Use of Modes and Introduction of Non-Western Elements

3. Enhancement of Harmonic Color and Impressionistic Role

4. Introduction of Parallel Chords and Non-Functional Harmony

5. Creation of a Sense of “Suspension of Time”

6. Fragmentation of Tonality and Pursuit of Momentary Quality

Summary

In Debussyʼs music, tonality became ambiguous beyond the framework of functional harmony, resulting in a free and floating sound not achievable in traditional music. This established a unique aesthetic known as Impressionism and served as a bridge from tonal music to modern music.



Asked ChatGPT4o: “Compare Debussyʼs methods with Messiaenʼs methods.”

The music of Debussy and Messiaen both feature innovative methodologies that depart from traditional tonality and functional harmony, but there are clear differences in their approaches. Below is a comparison of their characteristics.

1. Handling of Harmony

Debussy

Messiaen

2. Modes and Scales

Debussy

Messiaen

3. Rhythm

Debussy

Messiaen

4. Purpose and Philosophy of Music

Debussy

Messiaen

5. Use of Sound

Debussy

Messiaen

Summary

The commonality between Debussy and Messiaen is their departure from the constraints of tonality and functional harmony to explore new sounds and musical languages. However, while Debussy pursued the sensory and impressionistic beauty of sound, Messiaen adopted theoretical and symbolic methods for spiritual and religious purposes, marking a significant difference between them.



Asked ChatGPT4o: "Are there other composers who attempted similar innovations as Debussy and Messiaen?"

[It seems the response was broader than intended.]

Many other composers have made innovative attempts to transcend the traditional frameworks of tonality and harmony, similar to Debussy and Messiaen. Below are some composers and their characteristic innovations.

1. Maurice Ravel (1875–1937)

2. Alexander Scriabin (1872–1915)

3. Igor Stravinsky (1882–1971)

4. Arnold Schoenberg (1874–1951)

5. Alban Berg (1885–1935)

6. Edgard Varèse (1883–1965)

7. Charles Ives (1874–1954)

8. John Cage (1912–1992)

9. Henry Cowell (1897–1965)

10. György Ligeti (1923–2006)

Summary

These composers each transcended the frameworks of tonality and harmony in their unique ways. While Debussy focused on nature and impressions, and Messiaen centered on spirituality, other composers innovated with different purposes and methods, contributing to the diversity of 20th-century music.

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Created: 2024-12-15 12:27   Edited: 2025-03-28